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Internment camps, again? Interesting concept, America. Also: FAIL. [UPDATED]

Yes, I’m behind on this news, seeing as how it began far before Thanksgiving.

Apparently  Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz, feel as though “reaching across the aisle” to agree on something involves fightin’ them some terr’ists, m’kay:

A bill on the Senate floor raises the question of whether the Senate has forgotten our history. S. 1253, the National Defense Authorization Act, has a provision in it, unfortunately drafted by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John McCain, R-Ariz., that would let any U.S. president use the military to arrest and imprison without charge or trial anyone suspected of having any relationship with a terrorist organization. Although Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and more than a dozen of her colleagues are bravely calling for a halt to a damaging bill, they face significant opposition.

The troubling provision, Section 1031, would let the military lock up both Americans and noncitizens in the 50 states. There would be no charges, no trial, no proof beyond a reasonable doubt. All that would be required would be suspicion.

That’s the article from November 27 – 4 days ago.  Also?  It’s brave to oppose a bill, now?  Interesting.

Here’s an article from November 17:

The Obama administration threatened to veto the major defense authorization bill because of language paving the way for many terror suspects to be put under military custody, a sharp escalation of its battle with Congress over the future course of the war on terror.

The Senate’s version of the bill includes language effectively requiring that al-Qaida suspects captured overseas—and potentially at home—be transferred into military custody. The Pentagon opposes the provision, and many Democrats believe it would slow ongoing terror probes and remove skilled FBI interrogators from their work battling domestic threats. [emphasis mine]

[Something I thought was interesting…isn’t Levin a Jewish name?  Let’s see…there’s something about Jews and internment camps in our relatively recent world history…I can’t quite put my finger on it…]

Anyway, that highlighted section?  Yeah, “many Democrats” are correct, but they’re barking up the wrong tree with their reasoning.  We’re not battling domestic threats.  We’re calling folks who “stockpile” weapons and have more than a 7-day supply of food at any given point, missing fingers on their hands (seriously – I’m not making this up – this video was posted 2 days ago,and I’ll go ahead and imbed it below) “domestic terrorists”.  WTF, y’all.  Seriously?  I have canned food, so I’m a terrorist?  I have more than one type of gun, and know how to use them all effectively, so I’m a threat to national security?

Hypothetically (because this’ll never happen – I know I’m not cut out for military service, though I support those who are), if I worked as a welder in the military, and had been medically discharged from OUR military for a slip-up involving the loss of a thumb – I would have had to pass background checks rivaling those for gun purchase (though not as stringent as the process for owning a weapon in Chicago or D.C.), but once I’m out, someone who doesn’t see me in uniform and sees that I’m missing a thumb could report me as a terrorist, and off to Gitmo I go?  Or, let’s see…didn’t they use random towns in California (ugh – what happened to you guys?) and Arkansas (*shudder* – sorry, y’all, but your state scares me, topographically) the last time this happened?  So I would presumably be sent there.

Remember, an important part of this bill is NO DUE PROCESS.  No matter what I said, what I did, my words would be ignored, and I would just be put in holding without trial.

You would, too.

This sounds like hyperbole, but some of you are old enough to remember WWII and the Japanese-American internment camps.  WE did that, because Pearl Harbor scared the bejeeezus out of us, as a nation.  Now it’s 9/11, and it’s being used 10 years later as an excuse to go completely crazy again.

This is nothing new.  But it’s getting dangerously close to reality.  Airports will get a lot more inconvenient, with people not just being pulled aside for frisking and ball-groping, but some actively just being taken into custody for missing a freakin’ finger.

I sincerely hope Obama keeps his word and vetoes it, because from what I’m reading, McCain (Irish!  Another persecuted group from our past!) and Levin aren’t going to back down.

I’m not our President’s biggest fan.  Part of the reason I stopped writing about politics and the goings-on in the world (even when bin Laden was declared dead) is because I just can’t respect Obama.  He bothers me.

However, he’s right to want to veto this bill, and his reasoning is sound – it’s ridiculous, and sets a dangerous precedent.  He could USE this bill to put anyone he wanted into prison, but he’s threatening to veto it on the grounds that it’s unconstitutional.  He’s USING his J.D., for once, and that?  I can respect.

Here’s that video, embedded:

And here’s a link to the bill itself, so you can read it, if you want, as well as keep up with the status of the bill.  According to that site, 93% of readers are against it, while 7% are for it.  I’m going to go out on a limb, here, and guess that those 7% who are for it are also for banning guns and printing more money.  Call it a hunch.

UPDATE:  There was a vote to remove the “no due process” wording from the bill.  The following is a list of who voted, and how they answered – “Nay” means “keep the wording in the bill”, while “Yea” means, “take that shit out.”  (As an aside, I find it hilarious and sad that Alaska isn’t voting.)  Tennessee, you disappoint me, yet again.

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Not Voting
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Nay
Boozman (R-AR), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Coats (R-IN), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johanns (R-NE), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Manchin (D-WV), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Paul (R-KY), Yea
Portman (R-OH), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

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